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Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson
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Snow Crash (original 1992; edition 2000)

by Neal Stephenson (Author)

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Like a random slice through one of Stephenson's later, larger works.

As scattered and hard to follow as Terry Pratchet's "The Colour of Magic"; you have to work hard to remember how your character ended up here, and where here is.

All the Stephenson tropes on display, though.

A sort of light-hearted dystopianism pervades.

Software engineers don't get to think they're so special anymore. ( )
  themulhern | Jul 31, 2021 |
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This book was pretty good. Started off a little slow and disjointed, but as you learn more and more of what's going on it all starts fitting together. Some familiar tropes with the Metaverse and a sword-wielding hacker, but a lot of moving parts throughout the book and an interesting theory/idea to build a plot around. ( )
  teejayhanton | Mar 22, 2024 |
I quite enjoyed this-- it's not my favorite, or even my favorite [a:Neal Stephenson|545|Neal Stephenson|http://photo.goodreads.com/authors/1192826259p2/545.jpg], but it certainly captures a lot of the things I enjoy about his writing style. Stephenson does really good near-future sci-fi because he excels at taking something from our own time and going crazy with it, but at the same time keeping it detailed and sprawling and very realistic. In the case of [b:Snow Crash|830|Snow Crash|Neal Stephenson|http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1157396730s/830.jpg|493634], all you have to do is accept one possibly science-fictional idea in order for the rest of the story and world to fall into place with a resounding crash.

Near the end where they're author-dumping philosophy of religion... I can even agree with the line of thinking to an extent, but the part where Judaism is summoned up and just as quickly dismissed as 'a good attempt for the time, but outdated and replaced by Christianity' felt like a punch in the stomach. That's a pretty good simplification of the way it looks from the outside, but it's something Jews hear all the time, as if Judaism is made irrelevant and pointless by its eventually more popular offshoot.

Almost as a side note, I was entertained to notice the similarities of Hiro's "Earth" program to Google Earth. I wonder whether Google got their inspiration from the book, or if it's just an obvious idea. (Probably more the latter.) ( )
  caedocyon | Feb 23, 2024 |
Re-read this after a number of years, and I must say it held up much better than I expected it to, especially for something originally written so long ago. Long before there was anything like Second Life or any of the elaborate MMORPGs we have today, Stephenson conjured up a digital world for his characters to play in. This gives him the title of techno-prophet, in my book. Ultimately, though, it is the characters of Hiro Protagonist (best character name, ever) and Y.T. and Stephenson's not-entirely-dystopian-but-certainly-not-utopian future that draw me in and hold me even a second time around. ( )
  Treebeard_404 | Jan 23, 2024 |
Meh, I am not quite sure what all of the fuss is about this book. I just read it because I had previously read Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon, and an old room-mate of mine recommended it to me since I liked the aforementioned book quite a bit. However, this proved to be a disappointment. Maybe it served as some screenplay for The Matrix movies which speaks volume as I think the second and third of the trilogy are complete garbage. ( )
  tyk314 | Jan 22, 2024 |
Meh, I am not quite sure what all of the fuss is about this book. I just read it because I had previously read Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon, and an old room-mate of mine recommended it to me since I liked the aforementioned book quite a bit. However, this proved to be a disappointment. Maybe it served as some screenplay for The Matrix movies which speaks volume as I think the second and third of the trilogy are complete garbage. ( )
  tyk314 | Jan 22, 2024 |
I went out on a limb and selected Snow Crash as the book I will review for my book group this February. I first read it in 1999, and enjoyed reading it again recently (2012), twenty years after its publication. Among the purposes of the book group is to stretch members reading experience, and there's no doubt that Snow Crash will serve that purpose. Afterall, we are a group of middle aged women and the genre is "cyberpunk." Cyberpunk is subset of postmodern and science fiction which, as one reviewer (at http://www.cyberpunked.org/cyberpunk/) noted, focuses on "high tech and low life." This be quite a departure from books we have loved such as "The Help" and "The Devil in the White City."

Neal Stephenson titled the book after a software failure that occurred in early Macintosh computers, when they crashed and the system wrote gibberish into the bitmap that appeared as ASCII characters all over the screen. It looked a lot like "snow” on a television screen.

Snow Crash was written long before the the general public commonly used the Internet, and today's vast array of computing applications, tools, devices and resources -- and long before a “daemon” had returned a misaddressed email to any of us! In 1992, “viruses” where things that could be seen with a microscope, only a handful of researchers were talking about neural networks, and those of us who used the Internet were using such antiquated tools as Telnet, modems and of all things -- phone lines.

The story opens in 21st century Los Angeles, which is no longer part of what remains of the United States [think of a scie fi version of “Pottersville” in “It’s a Wonderful Life.”]. Most of the former U.S. territory is privately owned/controlled by private companies and organized crime. Most governmental functions have been outsourced to private companies (e.g., the “Central Intelligence Corporation.”). Companies that own the streets and roadways compete for drivers, and all mail is delivered by private courier. Hyperinflation has devalued the U.S. dollar to the extent that trillion dollar bills are small change [think of the photos of Germans carting bundles of Marks to buy groceries in pre-WWII Germany. In 1922, the highest denomination was 50,000 Mark, but by 1923, due to hyperinflation, the highest denomination was the 100,000,000,000,000 Mark, and in December, the exchange rate was 4,200,000,000,000 Marks to $1 US.].

Among the privately owned territories are "burbclaves" [think of city states, e.g., the Sumerian cities of Mesopotamia and Ur, the Phoenician cities of Tyre and Sidon, the ancient Greece cities such as Athens, Sparta, Thebes, and Corinth, the pre-Columbian Mayan cities such as Chichen Itza and El Mirador, etc.], that are run as franchises of big businesses such as "Mr. Lee's Greater Hong Kong)."

Prominently featured in Snow Crash is the "Metaverse" which is a virtual reality based world inhabited by avatars that represent the humans that operate them. While this concept was visionary in 1992, in 2012, engineers, animators, architects, people playing video games, and many others use routinely use avatars in their work and play. "Avatar" refers generally to graphic representation of oneself, and the term was popularized by the success of Snow Crash.

The main flesh-and-blood characters are Hiro Protagonist (yes, his name says it all), whose business card reads Last of the freelance hackers and Greatest swordfighter in the World, and a street-smart 15 year old girl who goes by "Y.T." (short for her name, Yours Truly), who works as a skateboard courier. When Hiro loses his job as a pizza delivery driver for the Mafia, he and Y.T. decide to go into the business of selling data to the Central Intelligence Corporation. They learn about "Snow Crash," a dangerous new “drug” that is a computer virus capable of entering and infecting both the "brains" of computers and humans alike, which they learn has its roots in ancient Sumerian language.

In reading Snow Crash twenty years after it was published, I found that the story held up well, and particularly enjoyed noting that many of the tools and resources that the author envisioned are things we take for granted today. For example, "The Librarian" and "Earth" applications are to Hiro what Wikipedia and Google Earth are to me today. The "goggles" referred to in the book seem pretty much like the virtual reality headsets that are available for use with video games and in computer-generated animation.

Here are the questions we will cover at book group:

Snow Crash was published in 1992, and is generally described as a cyberpunk work that fuses memetics, computer viruses, Sumerian mythology and high-tech themes with a sociological extrapolation of laissez-faire capitalism and collectivism. The novel is set in the not-too-distant future. The Mafia controls pizza delivery, the United States has become a patchwork of corporate-franchise city-states, and like a super-enhanced video game the Metaverse functions as a fully functioning alternative world. Our hero, Hiro Protagonist, computer hacker, samurai swordsman, and pizza- deliverer for the Mafia becomes involved in an effort to defeat a new biological and electronic virus that is capable of crashing both hackers and computers alike, when it fries the brain of his mentor, Da5id. According to the story, the “snow crash” virus destroyed ancient Sumeria by randomizing its language to create Babel, and is being employed by “bad guys” for the purpose of brainwashing the population. Techno-savy Hiro joins forces with a young techno-savy freelance skateboard courier, Y.T., to investigate the threat and feed information to the Central Intelligence Corporation. This sets up the main story line: Will Hiro and Y.T. save the world? Will one or both of them be killed by the Mafia or by Raven, the mad Aleut harpooner who has a hydrogen bomb in his pocket?

Neal Stephenson says that he writes in order to explore ideas and themes. While on its face, the action in Snow Crash has entertained some readers in a manner similar to the way light romance novels entertain other readers, what it has in common with other acclaimed novels is that apart from being a “good story,” it gives readers reasons to ponder its themes within and beyond the scope of the story. For example, while Stephenson doesn’t explain how the US government fell, it offers the reader an opportunity to think about whether any reasons may be intuited from the novel, and consider how today’s events might shape such a future.

In keeping with Stephenson’s statement that he writes to explore ideas and themes, you're encouraged to choose one or more of the following ideas/themes [or come up with one on your own], and identify why it interested you and/or caused you to think about the idea/theme beyond the scope of the story.

1. How did the world of Snow Crash come into being?
Background: Most cyberpunk novels are set in the near-future, after the US federal government has fallen – usually as a result of its bureaucratic weight, national debt, rebellion against taxes and overregulation, or a crash in global markets due to man-made or natural disaster. However, Stephenson’s does not provide such a backdrop for the story.

Did you intuit anything from the book about the circumstances that led to the breakdown of the federal government? --- or how we might avoid them?
Might any of today’s circumstances lead to a “Snow Crash world?” [e.g., according to the Fed, in May 2011 the largest single holder of U.S. government debt was China, with 26 % of all foreign-held U.S. Treasury securities; in 2000, its holdings were just 6 percent, and in 1992, its holdings were only a percentage of a point.]

2. Back in the Days When There Were Laws
Background: Y.T. matter-of-factly refers to our current era as back in the days when there were laws. In a number of sci-fi/cyberpunk novels, there are no governmentally enforced on civil or criminal laws. although some private law enforcement is performed by machines. In some cases, machines (think traffic cams?) provide private regulation. In Snow Crash (sort of like Star Wars?), machines perform some enforcement.

What do you think about the notion of law enforcement via machine – vs. – by a human enforcer?

3. US bucks and Kong Bucks
Background: Issues of money, currency and inflation, hardly ever come up in sci-fi and cyberpunk novels; power is usually equated by control of resources rather than a large bank account. However, all of these matters, especially inflation, play significant roles in Snow Crash. In today’s world, the US federal government is funded by a combination of tax dollars and extra dollars printed by the Federal Reserve System as deemed necessary to maintaining the stability of the financial system and contain systemic risk arising in connection with national and international financial markets. The downside of printing these extra dollars is that they dilute the value of all U.S. dollars, creating inflation. Under US law, no US entity or citizen may print and use of private currency (e.g., “Kong Bucks”).

Inflation is big problem in the Snow Crash world – but since there’s no Fed how does it occur?
Do you think Stephenson is using “Kong Bucks” to make any particular point?

Personal note: When my son, John, returned from Tanzania in January, he told me that except for the lack of Internet access, it was like the world of Snow Crash. He said that although Tanzania is a nation, since it is not a powerful government, its cities, towns, roads, and entities (including hospitals), are controlled by whatever gang has staked out the area and has the biggest guns. He also noted that the only people who appeared to have much physical girth were those with the biggest guns.

4. The End of Traditional Hierarchies
Background: In Snow Crash, many of the current social, cultural, and governmental hierarchies no longer rule the day. In lieu of them, privately-run franchises, “burbclaves,” zones, and networks have emerged.

Does Snow Crash set aside the traditional hierarchy that arises from respect for age? Or not?

5. Language, Viruses, and the Mind-Computer Connection
Background: The interface of languages human and alien languages is a common element in science fiction (think: Close Encounters of the Third Kind). The use of language in brainwashing and codes is a common element in crime (e.g., Patricia Cornwall), legal (e.g., John Grisham), and techno thrillers (e.g., Tom Clancy). While these language elements are interesting, they don’t require the reader to ponder the matter of language itself. However, Stephenson gives language (electronic and human) a life of its own in positing a virus (i.e., acquired language) that is capable of crashing both computers and human minds. While some reviewers complained that he should have left all the ancient language and binary code stuff out of the novel, while others wrote that by weaving the language theme out of bits and pieces of information and theories derived from ancient languages, myths, and religions, 20th century works in the fields of cognitive and structural linguistics, psycholinguistics, and computer programing manuals, and adding a liberal sprinkling of invented facts, he gave credibility to the notion that language virus might exist and be sufficiently powerful to bring down the world.

What did you think about Stephenson’s language theme in the book? Was it at all plausible?
One of the effects of the snow crash virus is that it causes the world to share one language. What does the book suggest about that? What do you think about the pros and cons of this?
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1 vote maryelisa | Jan 16, 2024 |
Story: 3 / 10
Characters: 6
Setting: 5
Prose: 4

Snow Crash and Neuromancer (Gibson) are well known as the two more famous Cyberpunk novels ever written. Neither really work though (1 / 5). Gibson's novel takes place almost exclusively online and is extremely difficult to follow. Thankfully, Stephenson's virtual world is interesting and significantly more straightforward. Snow Crash's problem is really that the prose is obscure and the action story is worthless. Despite the minute value the book had for me...
...I can recommend it to readers interested in linguistics and analytic philosophy.

Tags: rat things, burbclaves, Mafia, franchises, Fedland, lawlessness, corporate anarchy ( )
  MXMLLN | Jan 12, 2024 |
Way Too Much and Not Nearly Enough

Like most reads, I went into this knowing nothing beyond it being dystopian, well regarded, and something I would probably really enjoy. For the wild opening and tone that come out of the gate already at 11 with me wondering if the what was happening was actually taking place in the book or if it was a dream or fiction in the setting, this was actually a really nice surprise. The really ridiculous vibe and full on satire side of cyberpunk were refreshing and exciting. I couldn't help but feel that this was the book Ready Player One thought it was -- though now I know Reader Player One is just doing this, but dripping with nostalgia bait. I wish I could get back to that heady yesterday.

At first the extremeness and cardboard cut out power fantasy protagonist, Protagonist, were fun and I was put in mind of a prose graphic novel with some 200AD vibes. The ridiculousness of the setting was enough for me, because the characters and plot didn't exist. Unfortunately, they never really exist with the author seeming to just have stuff happen and actively avoid any character development or narrative, until a whole way into this book. What makes it worse is that the plot actually arrives through a massive info and lore dump conversation with an AI librarian. Twisting the knife further is the fact that there are a lot of really interesting ideas, but just way too many. Just so many ideas that are just machine gunned out and are haphazardly glued together in front of the reader with no care or interrogation. There's a feeling of a precocious child ranting about their hyperfixation, while trying to show how clever they are, which reminds me of Christopher Nolan. They also have a main character called Protagonist and make things that massively overstay their welcome.

On paper I should love this and there are so many awesome elements, but this needed to be a series with more development of everything or a much shorter novel with less crammed into it. The tangential historic language conspiracy is interesting with the Babel motif and approaching religion as a memetic virus, but the author doesn't appear to have enough of a grip on the concepts, so their haphazard presentation to the reader with the sticky tape and hammering the ideas together just doesn't work.

I also just found it became incredibly boring and monotonous with the madcap frenetic energy from the opening really losing momentum with nothing replacing it. Not fleshing out the characters really stood out here. I don't think writing your own power fantasy manic pixie cool guy character is as much of a crime as I've seen others state in reviews, but when that's all they are there's a problem. I wanted to love YT -- rebellious teen girl skater...but that's all there was to her, besides the opportunity for a lot of really skeevy and creepy moments. The eponymous Snow Crash is a great concept, but it actually features so little that it's like the author forgot about it.

I also have to address the (assumed) cisheteronormative white guy in the room writing this book in the 90s... There's cringe, creep, yikes, oofs, and just a lot of discomfort in the way gender, race, sexuality (particularly in the writing of the 15 year old girl), neurodivergences, the wild assertion of sex and gender being binary, and more are discussed and the language used. It's genuinely gross and weird.

I have felt like giving this every different rating during the course of my reading, but settled on 2/5 because there's some fun moments and cool ideas, but it goes nowhere and is boring and creepy on its way.

I DNF'd with a few hours left after completely losing steam, getting skeeved out, and then checking reviews to see if it was worth sticking it out.

The performance is decent, but my current take on accents is that if you can't do them to a good and respectful enough degree, just don't do them. So some real janky and offensive accents combined with the same in the writing, really didn't feel good to listen to.

I'm sorry. I really wanted to like this, but I just can't. ( )
  RatGrrrl | Dec 20, 2023 |
I am not much in to political content. this one was just to much of that. Like other Stephenson books it is well written and very good with respect to writing. The content was just not for me. ( )
  Everlord42 | Dec 5, 2023 |
Starts off meh but gets really nice afterwards ( )
  atrillox | Nov 27, 2023 |
Ludicrous premise, absurd plot, but prescient in some striking ways (although I suppose if your novel has 1000 ideas, some of them are bound to be right). Glad to have read it, but not the SF heavyweight I expected. ( )
  mmparker | Oct 24, 2023 |
This book got my nerd on a lot less than I was expecting, but I enjoyed the hell out of it. I think that in 1992, when this book was published, it was probably a lot more impressive on the technical, internet side. The fact that a lot of the ideas in the story are not that impressive nowadays is all the more impressive. Also, Stephenson has a kind of humor that isn't super-obvious until you're already in the middle of the joke. Finally, the union of cyber, punk, history, linguistics, pop culture, etc. was ultimately a bit much for my taste, but I'll definitely be reading more of Neal Stephenson. ( )
  bramboomen | Oct 18, 2023 |
Pretty great when I read it many years ago. ( )
  emmby | Oct 4, 2023 |
This book is set in a future world different to, but not indistinguishable from, our own. Huge swathes of society have become commercialised as for-profit organisations, many owned by openly criminal gangs, with the government acting more as an (ineffective) cross between an evil corporation and a secret society. Identitarianism has move on apace resulting in almost everyone living in some community enclave focused on their ethnicity, class status or other aspect of who they are. The internet has become a giant virtual reality representation of the world with many people living their lives online.

Into this world comes a computer virus, Snow Crash, that not only destroys the computer host it arrives at, but enslaves the user creating a sort-of zombie army.

The story revolves around plucky heroes initially trying to grab some personal advantage from the virus’ impact, but later working to defeat the masterminds trying to enslave the planet.

This is a book chock full of ideas and predictions that takes a hard look at impacts and consequences, good and bad. Stephenson has a knack for seeing beyond what a technology can do into what it means when that technology has become a ubiquitous part of everyday life. Even though it is 30 years old, this book has a lot to say and show us about how the technologies we rely on today are affecting how society works and where that could lead.

The book does not have the sophistication of Stephenson’s later work and relies too much on crash-bang action, but is nevertheless an important work in the science fiction field, and a good read as well. ( )
  pierthinker | Aug 25, 2023 |
Absolutely bonzo extrapolation of a privatized future and science fiction application of computer viruses to the human condition. When the protagonists are samurai pizza delivery men, renegade computer hackers, underage skateboard messengers, Mafia dons, and Asian businessmen, you know things are messed up. But it all seems perfectly plausible here. ( )
  zot79 | Aug 20, 2023 |
This was such a fun and interesting book. Very fast moving and full of a billion little details that just tweaked my brain in all kinds of directions. Really, a very cool book.

The ending might be a little too pat, but that's okay, I kind of like them that way.
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  beentsy | Aug 12, 2023 |
More like 3.5, starts out incredibly strong, presents intriguing ideas and the setting is groundbreaking (for its time). Unfortunately, it gets bogged down about 2/3 of the way through and never recovers. Also, for a 550 page book, the actual climax is just the last 10 pages and there is no denouement. It's almost like his friends were going out for drinks and Stephenson said "give me 5 minutes guys" and finished the book. ( )
  TheMagicRat | Aug 11, 2023 |
I was asked to read this book, reluctantly started it, dragged through it (only because I was constantly told how awesome it was by someone who barely reads) and found myself struggling to care. I confused about what the whole point of it was (if there was one). I could see it as a film or a graphic novel. Definitely one of the books I chose to not finish. ( )
  AAPremlall | Jul 23, 2023 |
It was okay but just too long. I think I'm going to make more of an effort now to avoid Neal Stephenson's works. They are too long, the world-building is okay, and the plots are often overly complex and convoluted; frankly, I stop caring at around the halfway point. If I actually were reading his books instead of the audio, I would never finish them. Maybe I'm just not into cyberpunk and technothrillers, [b:Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? |6545414|Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? 1 (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, #1)|Philip K. Dick|https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1307477425l/6545414._SY75_.jpg|23588207] and [b:Neuromancer|6088007|Neuromancer (Sprawl, #1)|William Gibson|https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1554437249l/6088007._SY75_.jpg|909457] did not impress me to the point that they left any permanent marks upon my imagination. So, there's that. Would I recommend Snow Crash? Meh. Only if you're really into the cyberpunk genre I guess, it's just not for me. ( )
  Ranjr | Jul 13, 2023 |
Finished my annual reading of Snow Crash...usually focused on the technological/dystopian aspects, but this read-through was all about the theological hypotheses discussed throughout. An allegorical approach to the entirety of monotheistic religion just makes too much sense. #sogood ( )
  RyneAndal | Jul 12, 2023 |
Sumerian myths mixed with religion and NLP, libertarian distopia, industrial-trash-metal music, skate punks, cyberdogs, pizza delivery operated by the mafia.. oh, boy.

Liked the humour: sarcastic, sometimes cynical yet easy. Lot's of Pelevin-style wordplay, like insane depleted uranium gatling gun named Reason ("See, I told you they'd listen to Reason").

Overall excellent sci-fi/cyberpunk action novel. ( )
  kosta.finn | Jul 9, 2023 |
A good futuristic novel for its time and a timely read as the Metaverse becomes reality. I found it a fun read albeit some of it is a bit dated in terms of technology. Some parts were fast whilst others were super slow and felt very tedious. Quite philosophical at times too. 3.25/5 ( )
  gianouts | Jul 5, 2023 |
I tried to like it, I really did. I have enjoyed Stephenson before and I know this is a old book but I just could not get into it. The main character and other were just too cartoonish for me I guess. I got 35% into it and just stopped. ( )
  sgsmitty | Jun 14, 2023 |
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personaje 5/5. bine construite, originale, ajungi să te atașezi de ele, chiar și de antagonist.
fundal 5/5 cyberpunk perfect, la fel de bun ca și Gibson.
stil 5/5 curat, adrenalinizat, fluent, tehnic fără să fie tehnicist, bine tradus.
poveste 4/5 excelentă ca acțiune, răsturnări de situații și toate cele, dar nițel cam lungită cu partea religioasă.
total: una dintre cele mai mișto cărți citite de mine; cea mai pasionantă (pt mine) de la Zei Americani încoace (deci de vreo 10 ani). Total recomandată cititorilor de cyberpunk, unde aș pune-o pe podium; evident, nerecomandată celorlalți, ca orice cyberpunk. ( )
  milosdumbraci | May 5, 2023 |
As usual with my reviews of Science Fiction, I will admit that I don't particularly care for the genre, primarily due to the disparity between the interesting concepts most books contain and the quality of their writing. Snow Crash is no different.

From his vantage-point of 1992, Stephenson had a remarkable vision of the possibilities of computer-generated worlds. His version, the Metaverse, resembles a modern RPG in which users "goggle in" as avatars and perform various acts ranging from mundane (converse, ride public transportation) to superhuman/impossible (swing a katana while riding a motorcycle at tens of thousands of miles per hour, simultaneously conversing with the man you are trying to decapitate). His vision included a librarian with instant access to essentially all the world's knowledge (much of which pertains to ancient religions reimagined as viruses) and a computer virus, Snow Crash, which not only debilitates a user's avatar in the Metaverse but also the user in the real world.

Snow Crash is a long book which can be read quickly. Its original conception as a graphic novel is evident in its predilection for action rather than explanation. The main character, Hiro Protagonist (groan), changes from a pizza delivery boy working for the Mafia to a free-lance spy fighting to save the world from the reincarnation of the ancient Sumerian civilization. His fifteen-year-old sidekick, YT, is a courier riding an advanced longboard endowed with high-tech weaponry. Their cartoonish battle against the organization attempting to take over the world contrasts starkly with the esoteric religious details provided as background to the organization's rise to power.

While parts of Snow Crash kept me engaged, I eventually found myself speed-reading to get finished. ( )
  skavlanj | Apr 26, 2023 |
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